What a beautiful people, brave women, courageous men, ethereal monument to the unity of love. The Hagia Sophia is the most lovely building I've ever seen, every proportion of it is so pleasing. And the feminine aspect in the name is echoed by its architecture and the mothers, wives and sisters who've come to its defense. What a sad desecration this is!
One of my YT viewers wrote that you were controlling the narrative, just like Scott Ritter and others. I pressed him for anything you'd said that was untrue and he could only come up with a massacre where you didn't give details. And then kept throwing other names in to distract from his accusation. He ended by saying I was implying he was intentionally sowing distrust, as indeed I was.
By all the measures I have, Vanessa, you have the greatest integrity in being deeply connected to the people--truly embedded as your bed and home are there. And your clarity of thought is unwavering.
Thank you Tereza. They are indeed a truly incredible community of such grace, humour, warmth and courage. The women are amazing warriors and gentle mothers, sisters, daughters and wives. I am fascinated which massacre he is talking about. I doubt I would talk about anything that I did not have the full verification on. I genuinely have no interest in "managing narratives", only in the truth and transmitting the voices of the people who actually own the narrative. Thank you for your kind words. xx
I am wondering if this particular commenter is an 'argument bot.' Here's the thread, in case it's useful:
@gauravtejpal8901
Sorry to say, Vanessa Bealey, Scott Ritter and the rest are pushing a narrative. An alternative narrative considers certain matters of historical record - for instance, that the Assad family was well-beloved in the West until very recently, that it was to Syrian (and Egyptian) prisons that the US sent prisoners to be tortured, in the wake of the 'war on terror' via 'extraordinary rendition' and, more proximately, the inability or unwillingness of the government of Syria to honour the Astana process...
My reply:
I can't speak on Scott Ritter, who's somewhat bombastic for my taste, but I'm curious about what narrative you see Vanessa as pushing. Her statement that Assad didn't seem aware of the military stand-down was based on a firsthand report of his reaction, but she's never been a particular fan of Assad. If she finds out he was part of it, I don't think she'll be surprised.
@gauravtejpal8901
@thirdparadigm I will try to summarise my thoughts on this matter: I do not doubt that Bashar Al-Assad may personally not have known what the military would do - that it came as a shock to him that the Syrian military would simply withdraw. Given the hype he received as being part of the 'resistance', it did come as a surprise to many that not even a handful of people in Syria were willing to fight on his behalf. Further, it was obviously a command decision on the part of the generals of the Syrian army to not contest the advance of the rebels from Idlib. Possibly because the ultimate backers (or should I say, underwriters) Iran, Russia and China (in that order of proximity) were not willing to wage another armed conflict in Syria. If Mr. Putin 'betrayed' Syria, then I, for one, am very glad that he did. The alternative would be a tremendous bloodshed event - right on time for Christmas, might I add. As for the narrative that Scott Ritter (who is unbelievably over the top) and Vanessa Bealey and many others, like George Galloway et al subscribe to - which is that the Syrian Army (and by extension Iran, Russia and China) should've fought in Syria, not allowing the rebel alliances to claim Damascus, and that this would've been the morally upright thing to do - would have unquestionably led to thousands, possibly tens of thousands of deaths. Well, that's mostly all that I'm trying to say. I hope it made as much sense to you reading, as it did to me writing
@thirdparadigm
@gauravtejpal8901 what I'm hearing is very different. From my sources, it is a bloodbath that will continue. It wasn't the Syrian army protecting Al-Assad, it was protecting the Syrian people. These aren't real rebels, they're the same ones who were categorized terrorists by the US, but are now our terrorists. The Greater Israel project is spreading and it's hard to see what will now stop it. That's what I'm gathering that's consistent with what I already knew, and who was making sense to me before.
@gauravtejpal8901
@thirdparadigm I also have heard the sort of thing that you have described but in this respect, I take note of a further few points. Firstly, there is a tremendous fog of war which has not yet lifted. Second, reports of massacres never seem to include any details. For example, I noticed from Vanessa Beeley's commentary (I messed up the spellings of her name previously), that certain coastal towns and villages are being attacked - as to the details of these villages - their names and who are attacking them, is missing. Rumours abound. I keep reading about the 5000 uyghur militants who are poised to attack China - lately, they have become ten thousand in number...A few days ago, George Galloway stated with characteristic vehemence that the tomb of the daughter of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him - was destroyed by the 'terrorists' - an obvious lie that seems to have passed with his considerable audience without any reflection. At the extreme end of this sort of thing, I read in a comment today, on the 'Useful idiots' video with Norman Finkelstein that Israel just dropped an atom bomb on Syria!!
I will say more. A few decades ago, when I was a kid, there were no 'terrorists'. There were rebels and militants, guerillas et al but never any 'terrorists'. Indeed, terrorism was a creation of the 'war on terror', in more ways than one
@thirdparadigm
@gauravtejpal8901 I find YT to impede real conversation because it doesn't allow links and hides replies, so it's only between two people. On my substack, there are many people more well informed than I am, who can add more details pro and con. If Vanessa mentions villages being attacked without giving the details, that wouldn't make her controlled opposition in my book. Your initial point was that Vanessa is pushing a narrative--what is that narrative and why? I'm not concerned with Scott Ritter, George Galloway or Norman Finkelstein. If Vanessa is misrepresenting the facts in order to push a hidden agenda, I think that requires examples of her telling untruths, not just missing details.
@gauravtejpal8901
@thirdparadigm Now Yt seems to have disappeared my comment. I will only say - it is people who claim massacres are occurring that need to show proof, not people who doubt the veracity of their claims. If massacres are indeed occurring in Syria, perhaps Venessa can provide some details. The fact that you're putting the onus of proving a negative on me is disingenuous. If I adduce pictures and videos of people not being killed, will that be proof sufficient?
What a beautiful people, brave women, courageous men, ethereal monument to the unity of love. The Hagia Sophia is the most lovely building I've ever seen, every proportion of it is so pleasing. And the feminine aspect in the name is echoed by its architecture and the mothers, wives and sisters who've come to its defense. What a sad desecration this is!
One of my YT viewers wrote that you were controlling the narrative, just like Scott Ritter and others. I pressed him for anything you'd said that was untrue and he could only come up with a massacre where you didn't give details. And then kept throwing other names in to distract from his accusation. He ended by saying I was implying he was intentionally sowing distrust, as indeed I was.
By all the measures I have, Vanessa, you have the greatest integrity in being deeply connected to the people--truly embedded as your bed and home are there. And your clarity of thought is unwavering.
Thank you Tereza. They are indeed a truly incredible community of such grace, humour, warmth and courage. The women are amazing warriors and gentle mothers, sisters, daughters and wives. I am fascinated which massacre he is talking about. I doubt I would talk about anything that I did not have the full verification on. I genuinely have no interest in "managing narratives", only in the truth and transmitting the voices of the people who actually own the narrative. Thank you for your kind words. xx
I am wondering if this particular commenter is an 'argument bot.' Here's the thread, in case it's useful:
@gauravtejpal8901
Sorry to say, Vanessa Bealey, Scott Ritter and the rest are pushing a narrative. An alternative narrative considers certain matters of historical record - for instance, that the Assad family was well-beloved in the West until very recently, that it was to Syrian (and Egyptian) prisons that the US sent prisoners to be tortured, in the wake of the 'war on terror' via 'extraordinary rendition' and, more proximately, the inability or unwillingness of the government of Syria to honour the Astana process...
My reply:
I can't speak on Scott Ritter, who's somewhat bombastic for my taste, but I'm curious about what narrative you see Vanessa as pushing. Her statement that Assad didn't seem aware of the military stand-down was based on a firsthand report of his reaction, but she's never been a particular fan of Assad. If she finds out he was part of it, I don't think she'll be surprised.
@gauravtejpal8901
@thirdparadigm I will try to summarise my thoughts on this matter: I do not doubt that Bashar Al-Assad may personally not have known what the military would do - that it came as a shock to him that the Syrian military would simply withdraw. Given the hype he received as being part of the 'resistance', it did come as a surprise to many that not even a handful of people in Syria were willing to fight on his behalf. Further, it was obviously a command decision on the part of the generals of the Syrian army to not contest the advance of the rebels from Idlib. Possibly because the ultimate backers (or should I say, underwriters) Iran, Russia and China (in that order of proximity) were not willing to wage another armed conflict in Syria. If Mr. Putin 'betrayed' Syria, then I, for one, am very glad that he did. The alternative would be a tremendous bloodshed event - right on time for Christmas, might I add. As for the narrative that Scott Ritter (who is unbelievably over the top) and Vanessa Bealey and many others, like George Galloway et al subscribe to - which is that the Syrian Army (and by extension Iran, Russia and China) should've fought in Syria, not allowing the rebel alliances to claim Damascus, and that this would've been the morally upright thing to do - would have unquestionably led to thousands, possibly tens of thousands of deaths. Well, that's mostly all that I'm trying to say. I hope it made as much sense to you reading, as it did to me writing
@thirdparadigm
@gauravtejpal8901 what I'm hearing is very different. From my sources, it is a bloodbath that will continue. It wasn't the Syrian army protecting Al-Assad, it was protecting the Syrian people. These aren't real rebels, they're the same ones who were categorized terrorists by the US, but are now our terrorists. The Greater Israel project is spreading and it's hard to see what will now stop it. That's what I'm gathering that's consistent with what I already knew, and who was making sense to me before.
@gauravtejpal8901
@thirdparadigm I also have heard the sort of thing that you have described but in this respect, I take note of a further few points. Firstly, there is a tremendous fog of war which has not yet lifted. Second, reports of massacres never seem to include any details. For example, I noticed from Vanessa Beeley's commentary (I messed up the spellings of her name previously), that certain coastal towns and villages are being attacked - as to the details of these villages - their names and who are attacking them, is missing. Rumours abound. I keep reading about the 5000 uyghur militants who are poised to attack China - lately, they have become ten thousand in number...A few days ago, George Galloway stated with characteristic vehemence that the tomb of the daughter of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him - was destroyed by the 'terrorists' - an obvious lie that seems to have passed with his considerable audience without any reflection. At the extreme end of this sort of thing, I read in a comment today, on the 'Useful idiots' video with Norman Finkelstein that Israel just dropped an atom bomb on Syria!!
I will say more. A few decades ago, when I was a kid, there were no 'terrorists'. There were rebels and militants, guerillas et al but never any 'terrorists'. Indeed, terrorism was a creation of the 'war on terror', in more ways than one
@thirdparadigm
@gauravtejpal8901 I find YT to impede real conversation because it doesn't allow links and hides replies, so it's only between two people. On my substack, there are many people more well informed than I am, who can add more details pro and con. If Vanessa mentions villages being attacked without giving the details, that wouldn't make her controlled opposition in my book. Your initial point was that Vanessa is pushing a narrative--what is that narrative and why? I'm not concerned with Scott Ritter, George Galloway or Norman Finkelstein. If Vanessa is misrepresenting the facts in order to push a hidden agenda, I think that requires examples of her telling untruths, not just missing details.
@gauravtejpal8901
@thirdparadigm Now Yt seems to have disappeared my comment. I will only say - it is people who claim massacres are occurring that need to show proof, not people who doubt the veracity of their claims. If massacres are indeed occurring in Syria, perhaps Venessa can provide some details. The fact that you're putting the onus of proving a negative on me is disingenuous. If I adduce pictures and videos of people not being killed, will that be proof sufficient?
You only need to go to Vanessa Beeley on Telegram to see the hundreds of photos and videos of people being massacred, persecuted, tortured.
She cannot provide much more evidence, you can choose to turn a blind eye to it though.
Agreed, erin. I'm not sure what the commenter's agenda was. Maybe an argument bot or maybe just a man--it's so hard to tell them apart ;-)